Q. Ok so i am ddeciding whether to buy a porsche 944. i just need a list of what to look for. i dont plan on taking it to the track but just to drive 3 or 4 times a week to and from destinations. if i were to drive it casually would it still end up breaking down and repair costs skyrocketing? i just need to know what to look for when buying it and if many parts of the car will need repairing/replacing even if i do not abuse it on the race track
Mileage: 136,000
Body Style: Coupe
Exterior Color: Silver
Interior Color: Burgundy
Engine: 2.5L I4
Transmission: MANUAL 5SPD
Drivetrain: N/A
Doors: 2
Wheelbase: 94 Inches
Options Included: Air Conditioning, Cruise Control
A. Gabe,
I understand this will be a "Long winded answer" but try to take it in, after having a 924 and 944, and doing the maintenance on both, there is a lot to learn about these cars. So I enjoy helping anyone when I can.
No matter how you drive a car, parts will eventually break down, and need replaced. The thing about the 944 is that parts can be costly, they are FAR more difficult to work on comparatively to their 924 little brothers and have different maintenance intervals.
At 136,000 miles, you are approaching the wear for the mainshaft bearings if they haven't already been replaced. As well as the clutch if that isn't already replaced. On top of this you'll need to change the timing belt every 3 years or 40,000 miles.
To buy the tools alone, just to do these things alone, yourself, the clutch kit will be about $400-600, the tools for the timing belt are $150-200, and the bearings will be about $100 + the tools to do those. If you have the time to do it you're looking at about 4 hours for the timing belt, 6 hours for the mainshaft rebuild, and a lot more for the clutch.
This doesn't include the actual timing belt cost, which will be around $100 to get the belt and countershaft belt. If you've never done a timing belt, it may be a bad idea to start with a 944 as the first one as they are an interference engine, and if you get the timing belt off by a tooth or two and start it up, you'll bend all the valves in the engine and then get to learn how to install new valves and guides as well.
The other things to keep in mind is that these cars are horrendously neglected by the previous owners on a common basis as there are very few shops that know these cars extremely well since they are so old.
To keep the car from "Breaking down" you'll need to keep on top of the maintenance. That means ensuring to stay up on what Porsche recommends. Brake flush every other season, keep on top of inspecting the fluids, make sure to check the belts from time to time, make sure to inspect under the shield for the clutch and flywheel from time to time as they have rubber centers on the disc that can tend to wear out, inspect and repack wheelbearings at intervals replacing if necessary, flushing tranny at the right intervals with GOOD fluid. And most importantly using GOOD OIL on the changes as the 944 has hydraulic lifters in the engine that will go out over time if they are starved and lose the seals in them and seep oil which is costly to replace.
As others have recommended, it is extremely important to have the car personally inspected. Make sure if you do have it inspected that you take it to someone who specializes in these unique cars, as said before there are not a lot of dealers or shops that specialize in them and it's harder to find knowledgeable people on them on the things to look for. If you are by any means new to these cars do not buy one without having it looked at FIRST.
Here are some major things you can look for as a buyer that you should be able to tell:
- Hydraulic lifter noise - will sound like a very aggressive TICKING coming from the car. Will sound worse when the engine is revved. If the lifters are going bad, or having a hard time, or have crap oil in the car, the sound will sound slightly better as the car warms up but WILL NOT go away. Normal lifters will be noisy for a minute or two, and the sound will almost entirely dissipate once the car is warmed up. Sort of a "clackityclackityclackity" almost like a slight "diesel motor" type clicking at startup. Again, normal operation this will go away within a minute or two of the car warming up.
- Wheel bearings - if the user/seller of the car is willing to let you inspect it in the garage, have the car jacked up, wiggle the wheels by grabbing the top and bottom of the tire and trying to wiggle it. If there is play and it can be wiggled the bearings are loose, need repacked, or could be bad. There also should be no audible "clunk clunk clunk" when you spin the wheel freely.
- Wiring - Look at the fuse box. It should look CLEAN. If there is any white corrosion, you're going to face some serious wiring issues in the near future. Stay away. Also check the engine bay and wires for any similar issues.
- Tail lights - as the seals wear out in the 924/944 tail lights they can attract water, and corrosion. Pull carpet back, check wiring for corrosion, and lights for corrosion.
- Clutch pedal - Common for some years to have the master cylinder seep if it sits too long due to bad seals. The clutch should feel STRONG, and be STRONG when let out. If you feel it STRONG in, and then PARTIAL out and then snap back, or slowly retract, you may be facing seal issues, this can be inspected by laying on your back, looking up PAST the fuse box, at the top of the pedal where it attaches to a rubber boot, if it looks WET or dirty from fluid, it is is leaking. This is a big PITA to fix. Again, inspect this.
- Timing belts - can't really check them without pulling the covers off. So your best bet is to ask for CLEAR records. Again, interference engines, if they are not changed at the interval, and snap, you get to buy new valves and guides, yeehaw. Make sure the car has good records.
These are all things you can check if you look for them, and all of which are fairly common on the 944 to need replacing. More so on used cars being sold as many people find out they need fixed, get a quite, and don't feel like dealing with it. Get it inspected, check these things out yourself, and make a good decision. The last time I got a quote on a timing belt replacement at a Porsche dealership it was $2000, i've heard others at $800, and $1500. Either way you cut it, when the materials cost $100, that says something about how much fun these cars are to work on.
If you're mechanically savvy and aren't afraid to tackle it, they're a ton of fun, but can be draining sometimes to work on.
Again, I'm in no way deterring you from buying one, simply being realistic. They are a deceivingly maintenance involved car. A lot of people will say "Poor man's Porsche." but while some would say it's because they are entry level, others would say it's because they'll nickel and dime you till you get tired of paying for it.
Do the maintenance yourself if you want to keep the cost down. It'll cost you mostly just your time, rather than the cost of the parts. Otherwise if you take it to a dealer, you'll end up paying the cost of the car in labor easily in a short period of time.
Great cars though. They're fun, handle well, quite reliable when running strong (long as you keep them that way), and have decent power. I'm actually driving a 944 as my daily, and the 924 is my play car, and project track car. The 944 is getting around 30-33mpg on the highway for me so I won't complain, that's impressive coming from a 2.5L engine, given the displacement. If you do get it, do a tuneup on it right away, people leave the cap and rotor and wires to rot on them all the time. A good tuneup and they run like a champ. Make sure to check the do it yourself check items above, inspect the car, and if they give you green light, enjoy it. Wonderful cars.
If you're looking for an easy entry level porsche with LESS maintenance and similar design, the 924 has superb handling, a smaller engine, a different injection system, and is far easier to work on. They don't have all the power features like power steering, nor are they as "Civilized" and "Grown up" as the 944, but for a driver's experience I actually have MORE fun in my 924 than my 944. But the 944 just feels more comfortable for daily driving, that and you just don't see them a lot.